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Just a passer-by curious Hong-Konger's words:

I am always curious about why there's no lines like "Hyper Outer
Circle"
nowadays. Maybe linking up Finchley, Hendon, Neasden and reaching
Willesden may be a funny idea after all.


Are you suggesting something like the Circle Line in Zones 3 and 4?

Even though such a line would be completely impossible to do, I could
see it running in a complete circle around London, starting at
Richmond and passing through Wimbledon, Vauxhall, Surrey Quays,
Mudchute, Canning Town, Barking, Leytonstone, Walthamstow Central,
Wood Green, East Finchley, Brent Cross, Wembley Park, South Kenton,
Alperton, and Hounslow Central, and eventually returning to Richmond.

But it would be almost impossible to do.

Not at all... once the ELL extensions are complete (that is, of course,
if they ever get started properly) then there will be an extremely easy
route available via Canada Water, Hoxton, Highbury, Camden Road, West
Hampstead, Willesden Jcn, Olympia, Clapham Jcn, Clapham High St, Queens
Rd Peckham and back to Canada Water. There is a reverse at Clapham
Junction.

I doubt they'll ever actually run it as a full circle though. The ELLE
service pattern already includes Clapham Jcn - Canada Water - Highbury.
(I think the ELLE along with the NLL, WLL and Goblin are all meant to be
combined into one Orbirail franchise in the future).

Wow, interesting. It would be a great way to avoid Zone 1 during the
rush hour, and it would be a godsend if the Olympics ever came to
London.

Actually I do have a friend who is studying in Middlesex University in
London
and he usually uses Northern Line to get to the city. However, he
complained
that the fare's far too high and I started to think is there any Londoners
ever trying
to commute between different places in zone 3 (or beyond) and MUST pass
zone 1 due to insuffcient non-radial services. NLR could completely avoid
zone 1,
but if a even greater circle present, maybe one day these commuters are able
to
avoid zone 2 either!

Just another foolish enough and curious question: If I want to get from
Hammersmith to Willesden, can I avoid zone 1 by taking a bus or so?
Of course I won't take H&C and change Bakerloo at Paddington (Too
foolish for any transport enthusiasts even though they only had a glimpse
on the London tube map)

Once the East London line is connected to the old North London NR
route, and services are running between Highbury & Islington thru
Whitechapel to Canada Water and beyond, how much longer would it take
for a Hyper Circle Line to appear?

Brad

Actually I have heard some services to Willesden using ELL, is that true?
However, would the existing A-stock fleet enough for services on 2 big
lines? And is the entire ELL would appear on a future tube map with
both orange and outline (Network Rail lines) livery?