On Jul 21, 12:41*am, Roy Badami wrote:

On 20/07/10 14:58, Paul Scott wrote:

It isn't a good idea to ignore the tram validator if interchanging
either - if heading onto the tram with PAYG you'll end up with an
uncompleted tube/NR journey depending on origin, and could be caught on
the tram without a touch in.

That bit I understand, I think.

If coming the other way, you'll be in the
paid area without touching in, so will register an unstarted journey
when (if) you eventually touch out.

This bit I'm confused by. *I didn't think you ever should touch out on a
tram - I thought they're treated like buses? *Interchanging from tram to
tube at Wimbledon doesn't change that rule, does it?

I think all Paul is referring to is touching out on the pad on the
automatic gate - you need to do this to get out of the station (and
this is why Wimbledon is a 'special case' for Tramlink, i.e. the tram
stop is within a gated paid-for area.)


AIUI (based on previous discussions) transferring from tram to tube at
Wimbledon doesn't involve going though any gatelines and doesn't involve
any touching? *But I'm not a Tramlink user myself - this whole thing is
beyond me...

You've got that wrong - pax transferring from Tramlink to the Tube or
NR should touch on one of the interchange validators in order to start
their Tube/NR PAYG journey (but not, I think, the validators on the
Tram platform - these validate one for tram travel only).

Going the other way pax should also touch on one of the interchange
validators in order to end their Tube/NR PAYG journey, then touch on
one of the validators on the tram platform to pay for their tram fare.
(I'm not sure if just a single touch on the validator on the Tramlink
platform would serve to both end the Tube/NR journey and pay for the
forthcoming tram journey, but it'd be neat if it did.)

The thing is, in fares terms, the tram is basically a bus. My
understanding is that if you were to touch-in at Ampere Way tram stop,
then transfer at Wimbledon to say the District line to Fulham Broadway
without touching anywhere, then you'd have properly paid your tram
fare, but that's it - you wouldn't have begun a Tube PAYG journey so
would get hit with an unresolved journey charge on exit at Fulham
B'way, and furthermore would have been travelling without a proper
ticket from Wimbledon up to Fulham B'way (hence liable to a PF).

The basic thing is the system doesn't string it all together as a Tram
plus Tube/NR journey. This does I think actually make sense - let's
say you travel by tram from Ampere Way, get off at Merton Road tram
stop, meet a friend then walk down the road to Wimbledon Chase NR
station and touch-in (no gates here, just validators) - if the system
was designed to be too clever for its own boots it could assume you'd
travelled via Wimbledon and this was the end of your journey, hence
when you got to (say) Sutton you'd get hit with the unresolved journey
charge plus you'd have been ticketless and thus liable to a PF (or
more) on your Wimbledon Chase to Sutton journey. Hence, the system
doesn't try and make presumptions to do this, thus the need for some
intermediate validation at Wimbledon.

I trust that doesn't make sense. ;-)