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David Cantrell · February 25th 11, 12:26 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:59:00AM +0000, d wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:01:14 -0800 (PST)
john b wrote:
things they nonetheless deserve, such as a fair trial, due process,
and the absence of torture and deliberately degrading treatment.
Why do they deserve that?

Because until they've had that we don't actually know that they are
scumbags. Until YOU'VE had that when accused of a crime we don't know
that YOU'RE not a scumbag.

People convicted of heinous crimes should suffer, badly.

But to be convicted with any degree of certainty that the conviction is
valid requires due process, absence of torture, and a fair trial. I
hope you remember that if you're unfortunate enough to be accused of a
crime. To be accused, charged and tried is bad enough, but to be
accused, tortured, and just locked up for ever would be infinitely
worse.

the law. For example, this is why Ian Huntley is in jail and will
remain there forever, rather than being given a Kensington mansion at
the taxpayers' expense and his own playgroup.
If there was proper justice he'd be dead already.

The law recognises that even the fairest of trials and duest or
processes can sometimes produce the wrong result. Several convictions
every year are overturned after the victim has spent years in prison.
If we were still the sort of barbarians who thought the state should
murder people, then those victims would be *dead* instead of being
released and helped to put their lives back together.

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