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Old April 25th 11, 11:47 AM posted to uk.transport.london
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Default So what's going wrong with the Jubilee line?

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:17:34 +0100
Roland Perry wrote:
I doubt one designed to carry the weight of 2 buses is significantly
cheaper than one designed to carry 2 or 3 car passenger trains or even
light rail.


Of course not. After all you'd only have to design for two trains at 150
tons each (45ton/car), versus two buses at 14 tons each. Remind me not
to stand under any bridges you've built!


Most of the weight a bridge has to support is its own weight. When you
get into those sorts of tonnages the weight of the vehicle crossing it
becomes only a small percentage of the total weight so the overall structure
of a busway bridge I suspect is not much less than that of a railway bridge.
You only have to look at how well built most road bridges are to appreciate
this.

That could easily be accomodated with a railway by having single track
with double track at stations.


That's a novel idea - do you know anywhere there's a railway and nature
trail squeezed onto an old railway track, with sufficient crossings that
people can access the trail from both sides of course.


Not on a mainline no. But a number of preserved railways do have that. I
don't know if the rules are different however.

And 2 busway tracks takes up a shed load more room than even a double
railway line.


Actually not, that's the point - it fits in the same space. Or do you
have some mythical trains that are narrower than a bus, so they can
squeeze through a smaller gap?


Looking at streetview it looks wider. And I remember reading that they
had to demolish some structures and cut back the old station platforms
to fit it in on the same route.

As the line would run empty most of the day, it's preferable for the
buses to be carting air around than a train. The buses also have a
larger catchment area (the rival rail proposal only covered about half
the guided bus's route, something that's often forgotten).


Are you talking about the actual busway or the entire bus route?
If you include normal roads thats an unfair comparison since the buses
can used them whether the busway exists or not and their cost is
zero.

B2003