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Old August 25th 11, 12:48 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
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Default Chaos at Hayes & Harlington - as new C.I.S. mis-informs pax

On Aug 25, 1:25*pm, W14_Fishbourne
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On Aug 24, 5:54*pm, CJB wrote:





You couldn't make this up. The new c.i.s. has been up and misinforming
passengers for over two weeks - and nothing is being done to correct
the system.


This is a classic case worthy of Private Eye - who have been sent
copies of the photos. It is of two adjacent and supposedly identical
c.i.s. displays in the foyer by the ticket office. Spot the deliberate
mistakes.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisjb...7627384806727/


When asked why the ticket office staff don't switch the b&w display
off they claimed that they are unable to, like there isn't an on-off
switch on the monitor? Pathetic.


But the new system is one that displays the next three trains on each
platform. So they are having a field day in the evenings when trains
start to use the fast lines AND the local lines for stopping services.
Trains are now being announced in advance as arriving and departing at
fast platforms 2 (to Paddington) and 1 (to Reading / Oxford). However
AT THE LAST MINUTE platforms are being switched resulting in a mad
dash over various bridges to the other platforms. This is kind of OK
from 3 to 4 but the pedestrian route from 1 to 2 involves going
outside the station, over the road bridge and back inside - passengers
with luggage haven't a chance of making it.


This situation has been going on for years. FGW say they know nothing
about it, but that its Network Rail's fault.


Just recently we had this typical - i.e. every night - situation:


On platform 1 these trains were displayed:


* 23.45 Oxford - five passengers were waiting on platform 1. At the
*last* minute this train was suddenly switched to platform 3. I was
there and held the train doors open for customers to run from platform
1 to 3 over the road bridge - not easy for them. One Japanese tourist
with luggage didn't make it. He missed his train - the LAST train to
Oxford. The driver couldn't give a damn and was going to depart on
time regardless.


* 00.10 Reading - there were 7 passengers waiting on platform 1. At my
advice the Japanese tourist with luggage waited at the top of the
stairs in Station Road. The train arrived at platform 1. He ran down
the stairs with his luggage and caught it. I said to him that if the
train arrived on platform 3 I would hold the doors open for him. If I
see this appalling situation again - I WILL *ALWAYS* HOLD THE DOORS
OPEN - THAT IS A PROMISE.


* 00.51 Reading - this train apparently arrived at platform 1 as
announced


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On platform 2 (& 3) these trains were displayed:


* 23.43 - Paddington (FGW) - about 4 passengers were waiting on
platform 2 /3. Again at the *last* minute this train was suddenly
switched to platform 4. They had to run over the footbridge to catch
this.


* 23.57 - Paddington (FGW) - arrived at platform 2


* 00.13 - Paddington (HC) - this train suddenly was displayed on the
new c.i.s. system on platform 2 but only a few minutes before it was
due. It normally calls at platform 4. Again passengers had to run over
the footbridge from 4 to 2 to catch it.


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And next week when they close the station foyer at H&H the chaos is
going to get far worse because the only way of getting from the new
entrance on platform 4 is to go outside, along Station Parade, past
Tescos, past innumerable taxi cab offices, up Station Road, then down
the stairs onto platform 1. This will be impossible to achieve if they
suddenly switch platforms - which they will do. It take 10 minutes to
negotiate that street route as a normal pedestrian; with luggage or if
infirm, passengers can forget it - even if I hold the doors open for
them.


CJB.


These systems are programmed with the Network Rail working timetable
that shows which platform the train is scheduled to use. If that
timetable is wrong then the system is going to give out incorrect
information.

The system has to assume that the train is going to use the timetabled
platform until it passes a junction and occupies a track circuit berth
from which it cannot run into the timetabled platform. In many cases
that is just off the platform end in which case the system will
trigger a last minute change of platform announcement.

The only way around this is for Network Rail to feed the CIS with
either the train's planned route when this is set up or the junction
setting but for some reason NR will not do this. They seem to think
that it will compromise the integrity of the signalling system.-


A train that has been diverted via Sidcup on leaving Dartford is, from
that moment, incapable of running into platform 3 at Lewisham. But
having been on the Sidcup line for half an hour before its scheduled
arrival time doesn't stop it being displayed as expected at platform 3
at Lewisham until it just disappears and an unscheduled train shows up
at platform 1.

But, as I said before, they'll avoid the safety implications of having
people rushing through the subways by not announcing the platform
change at all.