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Old February 28th 12, 07:15 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london,misc.transport.rail.americas
Adam H. Kerman Adam H. Kerman is offline
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Default cards, was E-ZPass, was CharlieCards v.v. Oyster (and Octopus?)

Stephen Sprunk wrote:
On 27-Feb-12 14:45, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
On 27-Feb-12 11:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
Stephen Sprunk wrote:


(Debit card transactions are _not_ removed immediately in the event of a
dispute, which is a significant difference.)


The debit has already occurred, so procedures with credit cards are
irrelevant. A chargeback by the clearinghouse to the merchant's account
isn't possible. The amount must be refunded.


Wrong. The dispute and chargeback procedures involving the issuing
bank, the card network, the card processor and the merchant are all
identical regardless of what class of payment card is used.


You just made something up. I'm still calling it a refund, and not a
chargeback, to distinguish between the merchant receiving payment in
advance of when the cardholder pays his bill, and the merchant receiving
money from the cardholder's bank account.


The merchant _never_ receives money from the cardholder's bank account.


When a purchase is posted, the card processor credits the merchant's
account and debits the network's account, the network credits the card
processor's account and debits the issuing bank's account, and the
issuing bank credits the network's account and debits the customer's
account. NO ACTUAL MONEY CHANGES HANDS at that time.


Yes, that's actual money changing hands.

The rest of your followup has been charged back, but I don't stand
much of a chance of getting a refund for my time.