On May 24, 8:48*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"CJB" wrote in message

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There is increasing concern that traincos serving London (and
eslewhere around the country) are refusing to accept cash as payment
for tickets from their automatic ticket machines.

This is causing massive disrupution to potential customers especially
those youngsters who do not have a credit card, or in London those
whose Oyster card has run out and cannot be topped up. This situation
also disadvantages thousands of tourists who expect to be able to
purchase train tickets from machines with cash.

In the greater London area the National Rail stations are in what is
termed a 'Penalty Fare Zone.' Travelling within this zone without a
ticket can incur a huge penalty fine. If tickets cannot be purchased
for travel within this zone - even if the automatic ticket machines
are u/s - then 'Permit to Travel' tickets are supposed to be purchased
from another machine for a nominal amount of cash. These tickets then
make the travel legal. The balance of the fare is then supposed to be
paid at the destination. These are the ONLY tickets available for cash
- well used to be.

However despite PTTs being a legal requirement in the Penalty Fare
Zone(s) the Permits to Travel ticket issuing machines are frequently
switched off, or have been removed altogether.

Notices clearly displayed at most stations state that it is a legal
requirement to purchase these special PTT tickets. Yet many (most /
all?) traincos have closed down or removed the PTT machines.

So what is the legal situation whereas the requirement is to purchase
these PTT tickets, yet the machines that issue them have been removed?

Both the National Rail National Conditions of Carriage and the TfL Railway
Byelaws make it clear that the requirement to hold a ticket in a Penalty
Fare Area / Compulsory Ticket Area do not apply if, at the station where the
passenger commenced his journey, there was no ticket office open and no
ticket machine in full working order.

Peter

What does 'full working order' mean? If there is a machine which
normally takes cash and cards but at that time is taking cards only
would this be considered to be not in full working order? If another
station had a machine which was only designed to take cards, and was
in full working order, then the situation would effectively be the
same as at the other station, where the machine may, or may not, be
considered to be in full working order.