neill wrote on 24 May 2012 15:04:55 ...
On May 24, 11:24 am, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:43:05 +0100

Walter wrote:
I infer Boltar is referring to the incident reported in
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18185001

Thats the one.

Tube passengers led down Jubilee Line after train fault

Any train that runs underground and can completely break down and not
be moved at all has (short of it being the brakes locked on) a design fault.

"This is clearly not the level of service they have a right to expect."

There's a man with his finger on the pulse.

B2003

According to the latest from the BBC they were on the train for fours
hours. Just how long does it take for someone to decide that a train
cannot be moved? And why can't the emergency services overrule TFL,
demand, or order the the power turned off under threat of arrest of
individual staff, and extract the passengers vian the tunnel, after
say, a maximum of 30 minutes? If someone had died, everyone from 'the
man with his finger on the pulse' up to Boris would have been feeling
the heat today

According to the Evening Standard, the first passenger was evacuated
after 1½ hours, the last passenger after 3½ hours. So that's 2 hours to
evacuate 773 passengers. One passenger per 9 seconds - not good enough.

The ES also reports that "after the failure between Baker Street and St
John’s Wood just after 5.30pm, a rescue train was sent in to push the
stranded one to the next station. But that ground to a halt because the
first one was on an uphill gradient and was too heavy. Distressed
passengers were then told to walk on tracks to safety." Other reports
say that the push-out failed "partly" because of the gradient. Perhaps
the brakes were locked on.

I hope the RAIB get stuck into this, as they did with the Kentish Town
incident last year on FCC, where it took just under 3 hours to release
passengers from a packed Thameslink train which broke down.

The fact that the Jubilee train problem had never been seen before is
irrelevant. What matters is whether LU have a proper procedure for
evacuating passengers quickly and keeping them informed meanwhile. The
evidence so far from this incident is that they still don't.
--
Richard J.
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