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Old November 11th 12, 12:18 AM posted to uk.transport.london
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Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:19:33 -0600, Recliner
wrote:

I'm now the proud possessor of one of the new 60+ not-quite-Freedom Oyster
cards,


Lucky you!

and I notice that it doesn't tell me the fares that I've saved. Do
you know if it calculates them at all, or just opens the gates without
doing any fare calculations? And does it keep a query-able journey history
like a normal Oyster card? [It'll spot me doing some strange ones as I
take advantage of my new freedom!]


My guess, as I don't know how the card has been specified, is that it
is coded as a "Permit" just like a Freedom Pass. It has the same
London area validity but is not an English Concessionary Pass so it
will not have the english rose symbol printed on it. I don't know
whether London Freedom Passes are now both Oyster and ITSO compatible
but if so then I would expect the 60+ Oyster (your card) to just be
Oyster compatible.

Permits act like a season ticket within the area, times and modes
specified. They are not able to have a PAYG purse working alongside.
This question has been raised many times in Mayor's Questions due to
the lack of 24 hour availability on National Rail services for Freedom
Passes and the answer has always been "your constituent must obtain a
separate Oyster PAYG card and pay fares before 0930 M-F".

Permits should be readable by a ticket office machine operated by a
ticket clerk but I am not certain if journey history is displayed if
you tap the card at a passenger ticket machine (POM). I think my old
TfL Staff Pass could be read at a POM so it's possible the basic (last
10) journey details would be displayed as that's what on the card.

It will not show what the fare would have been for the journey you've
done - it has no reason to calculate a fare. You'll need to record
your journeys and work out the fares and daily caps yourself. I've
done this for the Travelcard I currently have and it's been an
instructive exercise when you compare it to what would have happened
if I'd done the same journeys on PAYG and been capped.

No harm in you tapping your card on an Oyster pad at a POM and seeing
what Journey History brings up.


Thanks for the info. Do you know what would happen if I tried to use it to
enter a NR station before 9:30? Would it open the gate? And what happens
if it's an ungated station with an Oyster reader?

Having one will certainly change my journey patterns.