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'D A Stocks[_2_ Wrote:
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On 5 Dec, 16:39, wrote:
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If the line is intended to replace the two existing Battersea stations
(accelerating services into Victoria and Waterloo), and would then
continue to Clapham Junction (for interchange with the mainlines) it
might make some sort of sense.-
Of one thing we can be very confident: Clapham Junction will *never*
have an
interchange with a tube line. Just imagine the cost.
D A Stocks-
I imagine the unavoidable costs would be quite high and the costs
provided by TfL would be astronomical. Everything done by TfL costs
about twenty-five times as much as it should. Why should high costs
prevent a Clapham Junction interchange station? Did high costs
discourage TfL from rebuilding Victoria Underground Station?
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I'm not sure what 'rebuilding' at Victoria you are talking about. The
Victoria line itself offered clear benefits in terms of giving mainline
passengers access to West End and opened up the possibility of
cross-London
access to Eauston and Kings Cross/St Pancras. The interchange provided
then
was largely an extension to what was there before. It's getting some
much
needed improvements now that will benefit a large number of existing
users,
especially the large number of Victoria Line users who want to get to
and
from the Victoria area as a destination in its own right, rather than as
an
interchange with the mainline station.
Providing mainline travellers with an interchange to the Northern Line
at
Clapham Junction would be a vast cost for very little additional benefit
given that the money has already been spent to provide interchanges with
the
Northern at Waterloo and London Bridge.
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DAS
Information about the Victoria Underground Station rebuilding project
can be found on-line.
Tfl's own website is very coy about the astronomical costs but before
starting work they quoted £900 million! As I stated previously,
everything done by TfL costs 25 times as much as it should.
I am very aware of what is going on at Victoria - I used to pass through the
station every day on my to work until quite recently. However, they aren't
"rebuilding" it, they are making some (quite substantial) additions to
what's already there, and even the online articles don't claim it as a
rebuilding, although "redevelopment" does creep in to one or two press
releases.
To be awarded 'rebuilding' status they would have to do something like the
changes at London Bridge when the Jubilee Line was added to the station; if
you're interchanging between the mainline and the Northern (OMG we're almost
getting back on topic) you see very little of the undergound station that
was there before.
As someone who has had the full experience of Victoria it's very clear what
the problems are, what's being done about it, and what the benefits will be
when it has been completed. What you haven't explained is why it is so
desirable to create an interchange with the Northern Line extension at
Clapham Junction. I'm particularly interested to know what new journey
opportunities would be created that aren't provided substantially by the
current services that serve the station? If you can give a convincing answer
to that one you then need to come up with a convincing proposal for the
interchange at Clapham Junction. I doubt that bringing it to the surface and
re-opening platform 1 would be a viable option, and you need to bear in mind
that
a) the current station is effectively three (or more) stations behind a
common set of ticket barriers.
b) the current interchange facilities for the existing station(s) are
inadequate.
c) any improvements to the existing station(s) are likely to involve
substantial reconstruction; probably moving and extending platforms to
provide additional circulation space.
d) you need to sell this as a package to both National Rail as owners of the
current station(s) and TfL as providers of the new line.
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DAS