On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:49:23 +0100, "tim....."
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"JNugent" wrote in message
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On 27/06/2013 11:02, tim..... wrote:

"Dr J R Stockton" wrote in
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In uk.transport.london message , Sun, 23
Jun 2013 12:48:16, Roland Perry posted:

In message , at 12:07:41 on
Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Recliner remarked:
I'm still confused by your definition of "genuine retirees". You
seemed to suggest that it could be defined as people not receiving
taxable income -- would you have an age limit as well? Or would you
only include people not receiving "income from employment"? So you'd
not allow a 70-year old part-time worker to get a twirly pass?

The normal reason for proposing such restrictions is to avoid a person
with a twirly card using it was a subsidised means to "commute to
work".


That may be what you are told. It may be what the teller believes. It
may be what the relevant management "think".

But the sensible reason is that buses are crowded with commuters until
nearly 09:30, and have empty seats after that.

Not where I live. (outside of London)

Buses aren't full at any time of the day and the only reason for the
9:30 "ban" is to stop travel to work use

Actually, there is *no* pre-09:30 "ban" on the London buses.

It's the one place in England where that is the case.

I know that's the point

Of course, Oyster users may still prefer to travel after 9:30 if
they're aiming for an off-peak daily cap (Tube and bus). So you have
the odd situation where Freedom Pass holders can happily travel before
9:30, whereas paying Oyster users may be deterred from doing so.