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[email protected] · November 15th 14, 03:42 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article ,
(Matthew Dickinson) wrote:

On Saturday, 15 November 2014 14:49:24 UTC,
wrote:
In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:20:00 -0600,
wrote:

In article ,
(Kevin Ayton) wrote:

Paul, you are right - it is a very opdd explanation.
It seems to have conflated two issues. Yes, there are some
constraints within ITSO which can prevent certain letters being
used in certain circumstances to record a route number in a
trasnaction record. But that can be circumvented, and in any case
the transaction record doesn't have to show the same route number
that the public sees.

More likely the ITSO on Prestige rollout hasn't hit all the buses
yet. The buses need both the ITSO 'shell and product keys' so they
can read the ENCTS cards and the concession products on them., and
they also need the 'commercial rules' to know that they can accept
these cards. My guess would be that one or the other hasn't bee
completed yet.

Just my £0.02 contribution

Don't they all have to handle ITSO cards now to allow Southern's
"The Key" card to be handled correctly and charges deducted?

You are right that Southern's Key does have to be handled by buses in
terms of processing a Travelcard held on the card. I am not sure that
any charges can be deducted because PAYG does not work on ITSO cards
in the same way as for Oyster. That does raise a little question in my
head as to what happens if someone has an Out Boundary Z26 travelcard
on a Key Card and travels by train into Zone 1. Do they get penalty
fared?

AIUI ITSO relies on "product definitions" being recognised by readers.
If the definitions of English concessionary permits haven't been
loaded then cards can't be processed. I do think the readers
recognise the presence of an ENCTS ITSO card though. I'm sure I've
seen people present them on TfL buses and the error beeps sound. I
assume the definitions for Travelcards and national rail tickets into
the zonal area have been loaded on the TfL readers for Key and C2C
Smart users.

Aha! The Southern product is more limited than I understood. We are
looking forward to their developments in Cambridge now of course.
Indeed if you try to buy a ticket from the GTR web sites they all
go to the Southern site. We are promised "The Key" real soon now.

Southern's version of PAYG is called Keygo. It requires a card
auto-topup to be set, and the fares charged are calculated in the
back office. It's only available at the moment in the Crawley and
Brighton areas on rail, Metrobus and Brighton Buses.

I was more thinking of automatic pickup at gates of tickets bought online.
That's the desperate need at Cambridge where ticket vending capacity is
stretched beyond breaking point at the strangest of times.

Queues out of the door between 9 and 10 on Saturday mornings I knew about
but 4 on a Friday afternoon (according to a Tweet by Mary Beard) was a new
one yesterday.

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Colin Rosenstiel