On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:05:15 -0800 (PST)
Mark wrote:
On Monday, 12 January 2015 17:31:56 UTC, wrote:
entrance on the other side to add another 100m onto the walk. The line can't
take 5 car trains at some stops - and don't tell me they couldn't have
enlarged station tunnels - the trains were indequate from the start and the
service frequency is poor.

It's been said for well over a decade now that lengthening Rotherhithe and
Wapping
would either be too difficult or impossible. Selective door opening is common
on
bits of the tube network which are far newer.

It was said that enlarging the connaught tunnel for crossrail was "impossible"
but they managed it.

If they'd simply built the section north from whitechapel and instead of the
idiotic decision to stop at H&I instead of finsbury which would have
provided an interchange with the ECML it would have been a much more useful
line and cheaper. There was no need to co-opt pre existing sound london
lines
since they were already perfectly well served.

You repeatedly say this, but repeating it doesn't mean it makes any more sense.

Well it makes more sense than thousands of people spilling out at finsbury,
shuffling onto the victoria line - which is already seriously overcrowded there
in the rush hour - for one stop then getting off at highbury when there is an
underused freight line - albeit single track - onto the NLL that could have
been used for passenger trains.

served. Admittedly, without those passengers it wouldn't be as crowded on the
northern section, but without them you wouldn't have the "poor" 16 train an
hour frequency.

No, it would be much higher.

Or an extended ELL at all. I can't imagine it having been funded just to extend
New Cross to Highbury & Islington. Would it even exist at all by now?

Well it has provided a sort of tube service to parts of london that were
reliant on a bus previously. What has it added to south london? The ability to
get to canada water without changing at london bridge. Big deal.

I was curious to find out how slow it is between H+I and Canada Water, and how
this compared to the Victoria + Jubilee line. It's timetabled 20 minutes
direct by
Overground, and 9+11 minutes on the Underground. The same! Only wait, there's
the time involved in changing at Green Park, which TFL's journey planner seems
to
put at around 4 minutes. I know such things can exaggerate changing time, but
there seems to be no way to do this journey quicker by tube.

Well it is quicker by tube. Incidenatly last night I decided against my better
judgement to give the overground another go. I spent FIFTEEN minutes waiting
at Dalston for a highbury train because one train just sailed on through without
stopping.

I was actually surprised the Underground wasn't faster by a bigger margin,

It is faster by a big margin. I suggest you try it instead of relying on the
fiction that is TfLs timetables.

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Spud