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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 02:37:58 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:40:46 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
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Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 00:02:08 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Charles Ellson wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 12:03:37 +0000, Basil Jet
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On 2015\10\31 12:01, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2015\10\31 09:34, e27002 aurora wrote:

Dalston, Angel and St Pancras look reasonable. BUT, then the line
heads for Victoria. Victoria already has a direct route toKX/St P.
But Waterloo does not. Why not follow the route of the WWI plan for
an express Northern Line pair to Waterloo?

Boris's new toy then follows a zigzag route to Wimbledon. Wimbledon
is already well served and cramped. Adding the entrances here for a
Crossrail station will be difficult. Moreover it adds little value.
Anyone heading from Wimbledon to Victoria has a choice of routes. One
can change at Clapham Junction, or use the District Line.

Why not continue to shadow the Northern Line with Stations at
Kennington, Clapham North, Balham, Tooting Broadway, and South
Wimbledon?

Borisrail then continues to Raynes Park. There is a logic to this
because several of the main SW suburban routes have converged there.
But Boris's route then runs onto them ALL. That begs the question: Why
retain the slow pair from Waterloo. How does TfL, et al, expect to
maintain the discipline of a rapid transit service with four branches?

No, from Colliers Wood Crossrail two should continue to Raynes Park
for interchange and then take over the pair towards Motspur Park. The
route could terminate at Chessington and Horsham. The later will
provide many valuable connections to, and from, the outer suburbs.


That sounds dear. I don't know why everybody wants to build underground
stations everywhere. They're dear!

By 2030 the Waterloo trains will probably all be electric or bi-mode. I
suggest a new twin-tunnel mainline from Hersham to Clapham Junction with
a pair of tunnelled platforms at Kingston, to replace Surbiton as the
principal station in the area. That would free up lots of room on the
surface lines through Wimbledon and Surbiton for more local trains which
could then go into the CR2 tunnel near Clapham Junction in approximately
the same place as the mainline tunnel ended.

I forgot to say that the mainline would be under parkland for much of
the route and under the A3 for another chunk, all of which cheapens and
simplifies construction.

If the oil runs out you could put the railway on one side of the A3 as
the other side might be all that's needed for what's left of public
and goods road transport.

The oil isn't running out any time soon,

Strange, three parties spent two years telling people in Scotland that
it was.

Charles, stop being so obtuse. You know very well that what they correctly
said was that *Scotland's* oil was running out.

Not all of the oil in the North Sea is in Scottish waters and there
are more undeveloped fields in the west.


Does the SNP now also claim the oil in Norwegian waters?

Norway is East of Scotland.


Funny, I'd never noticed. But which other oil producing regions does the
SNP claim are Scotland's?

What royalties do you think Scotland could claim in the next 30 years from
the legendary west of Shetland fields? That oil seems to be as close as
Dounreay's fusion power (always 30 years away).


There have been
undeveloped fields in the west for decades. There still will be just as
many in decades to come, because there are many cheaper places to extract
oil.


It was the SNP that lied, on this and many other topics.

Oh ?

LIB - Carmichael - In danger of losing seat because of lies.
[http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2015/...ael-case-ends]

LIB/LAB/CON - Promised new Scotland Bill ready to be voted on by 25th
January. Bill is still making way through Westminster.

LAB - Claims that "Scottish Labour" is a political party when it is
merely a registered alias of GB Labour.

LAB/LIB/CON - Claimed thousands depend on Trident for jobs at Faslane
- MOD later confirms they only employ 159 and contractors employ about
360. Figures had been puffed up by counting 3500 sailors and 3000
other staff mostly not employed on Trident, many of whom are not
always there.


But all of which will be lost if the nuclear subs move out of Faslane.

No, it is a favoured location for a future Scottish naval base. The
boats don't fix themselves.


Yup, a few fishery protection vessels, and maybe one inherited destroyer.
That should create several dozen maintenance jobs to replace several
thousand.


In any case, what do those trivial points have to do with the far more
significant SNP's lies?

Such as ?


Currency, EU membership, oil price and royalties. Vastly more significant
than where the Scottish Labour Party is registered.