Quote:
Originally Posted by David Cantrell
On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 02:06:16AM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sat, 14 May 2016 10:43:50 +0200, Robin9
wrote:
So, I have a question for the bus experts here. Is it a feasible
option a) to re-diagram bus routes so that bus journeys begin
and end at Marble Arch or New Oxford Street/St. Giles Circus
so that those buses do not travel along Oxford Street at all,
Short answer is No to turning hundreds of buses an hour at Marble Arch
and TCR. Existing stands are full. TfL have stated in the past that
you simply cannot do it.
Would you need bus stands? Why not just, eg at the Marble Arch end,
stop at stop C on Hyde Park Place, go round the roundabout then stop
again at stop A and similar for buses coming down Edgware Rd or up Park
Lane?
If you are pedestrianising Oxford St then you won't have any vehicles
in it so discussions about trolleybus shuttles are irrelevant. Also if
you can't turn diesel buses at TCR and Marble Arch how the heck do you
turn a trolleybus shuttle?
By going round the roundabout. At the other end it would have to go
around Centre Point.
Anyway TfL hate trolleybuses and the
notion of fixed infrastructure in the West End despite it being the
right answer (A large tram network would easily clean the air up but
no one will countenance the short term disruption to create it).
Would there be much disruption involved in putting up some poles and
wires? Unlike with trams there's no need to dig the road up to lay
track.
This will also have
considerable ramifications for bus travellers in Zones 2 and 3 who
currently benefit from frequent services that run from Zone 1.
Do many people further out use buses that end up going along Oxford
Street *and out the other end for a substantial distance*? Taking just
one bus stop as an example, stop OM at the junction of Oxford St and
Wardour St is served by 25, 55, 98, N55, N98, and N207.
25 goes from Oxford Circus to some ghastly place in Essex, so doesn't
cross London via Oxford St. Curtailing it at the east end of Oxford St
would have no impact on those people out in zones 2 and 3.
55 goes from Oxford Circus to a different ghastly place in Essex, so
there would be no impact again. Likewise N55. |
I believe the 55 goes to Whipps Cross which most certainly
is not some ghastly place in Essex. It's where Leyton,
Walthamstow and Snaresbrook come together at the
southern end of Epping Forest.
At present it's still a pleasant spot. Sadly Waltham Forest
Council plans to ruin it with a mini Holland scheme. They
have already chopped down some splendid trees.