On 09/06/2016 07:30, Roland Perry wrote:

... at 06:09:52 on Thu, 9 Jun 2016, Recliner
remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
It is being reported that the "no ifs not buts" transport fares freeze
has en exposed as undeliverable.

Only applying to journeys made exclusively on TfL metals.

I have no idea how they plan to implement that for interavailable trips
like the one I did earlier this week: Kings Cross St Pancras to
Blackfriars, which you can do both by tube and Thameslink (albeit using
different gatelines at both ends).

I presume the freeze will apply only to fares set by TfL. I always
assumed that the freeze would only apply to TfL services, as Khan
has no ability to control non-TfL fares.

The impression I get is that it's worse than that, because while TfL may
"set" some fares, they don't get to decide what the non-TfL component
costs. That's an external input.

Thus, another journey I do from time to time - Vauxhall to Westminster
-the ORCATS-alike determinator which much surely exist to apportion the
fare between SWT+TfL (via Waterloo and Jubilee Line) or pure TfL (via
the Victoria and Jubilee lines) must have a component whose revenue
stream is outside their control, viz the National Rail leg from Vauxhall
to Waterloo.

The further out you go, to places like Richmond or Wimbledon, the more
this effect will kick in.

?

There are three PAYG fare scales, and always have been (at least since
NR started accepting Oyster in 2010).

* The TfL fare scale.
* The NR fare scale.
* The through fare scale (NR+TfL journey).

The first is the only one that the Mayor has control over.


Thus for Vauxhall to Westminster, the TfL fare (for travel only on the
Tube) is £2.40 peak or off-peak, or the NR+TfL through fare is £4.10
peak / £3.50 off-peak.