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Old June 15th 16, 09:30 AM posted to uk.transport.london
Roland Perry Roland Perry is offline
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In message , at 18:49:14 on Tue, 14 Jun
2016, tim... remarked:

There's also likely to be a big shakeup of travel ticketing (will
CIV survive?)

Um, when was the last time anyone (here) bought one of these across a
UK border

Surely almost everyone buys a point-to-point E* ticket.


Plus the UK to StPancras leg, which is often substantially cheaper if
you buy the CIV ticket, especially in the peaks.

I suppose there's the border on the Belfast-Dublin route. Can't
remember what type of ticket I had when I did that

as the whole low-cost flights thing is a result off EU
deregulation, and the allocation of slots is also an EU thing:

Low cost flights are based upon a "modern" business model.


But business models need a regulatory framework within which they
exist. Scrap the framework and there could be trouble ahead.


That framework doesn't rely upon the EU


It relies entirely on the liberation contained in the so-called
"Aviation Packages" - collections of Directives and regulations
commencing in 1983. Google SN00182.pdf for more details.

if it did "Norwegian" couldn't compete (to name but one)


The UK would need whatever deal they've negotiated to fly intra-EU.

Whilst slots at airports might play a role at the margins, they
aren't the difference between them existing, or not


They are at places like Heathrow (and UK to other very busy EU hubs).


I know slots are in demand at LHR, it's why the cheepies don't fly from
there


The "Open Skies" agreement between the EU and USA is what governs the
allocation of slots at Heathrow, and hence the price of transatlantic
fares.

That's for all flights, not just the low cost ones.


the last 20 years has shown us that the majors have to compete on fare
with the cheepies even if they do fly from the more convenient/popular
airport

20 years of trying to persuade us to continue to pay the premium price
failed


If all fares originating in the UK go up, then competitively it's still
a level playing field for the airlines, but the passengers all pay more.
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Roland Perry