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Old June 17th 16, 11:58 AM posted to uk.transport.london
Roland Perry Roland Perry is offline
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In message , at 10:27:24 on Fri, 17 Jun
2016, tim... remarked:

I can just see that EU "interference" in the market might make flying
intra-EU fares cheaper [1] (I don't buy it, but it might),


I don't buy it either - along with most other commentators and
several of the airlines involved, I think fares will go up.


I think you misunderstand my point.

I was talking about flights between the remaining EU countries (after
we have left) being cheaper than similar types of flights from a non-EU
European country (which we will then be) to an EU one specifically
because of EU meddling. Obviously there will be price differentials
caused by the (lack of) popularity of the destination and differences
in airport fees imposed by the countries concerned.


It's more than airport fees.

but what possible effect can any EU meddling have on flights between
two non-EU countries?


They aren't going to be "meddling" as you put it, but we will be
*removing* ourselves from arrangements the EU have negotiated on our
behalf to facilitate more/cheaper UK-USA flights.


Then you should have been clearer at the start.


It still appears clear to me.

not for one minute did I think that your first point about flight
prices going up when/if we leave the EU was about the price of UK-US
flights.


That's right, but my second point was.

I naturally thought that you meant it to refer to UK - rest of EU
flights, and every one of my comments since then has been based upon
that understanding.


You are digging a big hole by failing to recognise I made two separate
points.

We will have to re-negotiate, and with much less bargaining power are
almost certain to get a worse deal.


as the single limiting resource that everybody wants are slots at LHR,
how can we possibly have such a poor hand that we get a worse deal?


Because we could well end up with the US-based airlines dominating. nd
they are profit-driven.

Of course some people think that the independence to negotiate these
sorts of things for ourself is a good thing, but it's naive to assume
that we'll end up with a more advantageous arrangement as a result.


More advantageous doesn't always mean cheaper


In this case "less advantageous" most certainly means more expensive.
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Roland Perry