"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:27:24 on Fri, 17 Jun 2016,
tim... remarked:

I can just see that EU "interference" in the market might make flying
intra-EU fares cheaper [1] (I don't buy it, but it might),

I don't buy it either - along with most other commentators and several
of the airlines involved, I think fares will go up.

I think you misunderstand my point.

I was talking about flights between the remaining EU countries (after we
have left) being cheaper than similar types of flights from a non-EU
European country (which we will then be) to an EU one specifically because
of EU meddling. Obviously there will be price differentials caused by the
(lack of) popularity of the destination and differences in airport fees
imposed by the countries concerned.

It's more than airport fees.

In which case I am still waiting for your working.


but what possible effect can any EU meddling have on flights between two
non-EU countries?

They aren't going to be "meddling" as you put it, but we will be
*removing* ourselves from arrangements the EU have negotiated on our
behalf to facilitate more/cheaper UK-USA flights.

Then you should have been clearer at the start.

It still appears clear to me.

Then I suggest you try harder

not for one minute did I think that your first point about flight prices
going up when/if we leave the EU was about the price of UK-US flights.

That's right,

Still waiting for the working

but my second point was.

I naturally thought that you meant it to refer to UK - rest of EU flights,
and every one of my comments since then has been based upon that
understanding.

You are digging a big hole by failing to recognise I made two separate
points.

Don't be silly.

Just admit it, you didn't make it clear

We will have to re-negotiate, and with much less bargaining power are
almost certain to get a worse deal.

as the single limiting resource that everybody wants are slots at LHR, how
can we possibly have such a poor hand that we get a worse deal?

Because we could well end up with the US-based airlines dominating. nd
they are profit-driven.

BA isn't?

We managed perfectly well to negotiate slots for 2 airlines before the EU
meddling, why could we not do again?

It's our asset we are negotiating away.

Of course some people think that the independence to negotiate these
sorts of things for ourself is a good thing, but it's naive to assume
that we'll end up with a more advantageous arrangement as a result.

More advantageous doesn't always mean cheaper

In this case "less advantageous" most certainly means more expensive.

I think you are wrong. Prices are kept down by competition, that
competition isn't going to go away

tim