tim... wrote:

"bob" wrote in message ...
Optimist wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:35:32 +0100, "JohnD"
wrote:

"Optimist" wrote in message
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Leaving the EU will save £10 billion a year net so lack of money need
not
be an issue.

How does that work then? On the assumption that joining eg EFTA will not
require a considerable annual contribution from the UK? Seriously?

This, in a nutshell, is the outright lie that too many gullible would-be
Brexiteers have been sold. If the UK were to have a Norway-style
relationship to the EU then the likely annual contribution (on an
equivalent
per capita basis) would be ca £8B, even assuming that the UK wasn't
required
to pay some punitive rate. (Plus accepting most, if not all, of the 4
freedoms.)

Forgetting about EFTA altogether and regressing to plain WTO
arrangements
really isn't a viable option either, for anyone with enough patience and
interest see eg:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...sury-committee

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...sury-committee

Why a Norway-style arrangement? Much better is we get tariff-free access
to EU market in return for
tariff-free access to UK market. No freedom of movement, no subsidies to
EU.

Almost certainly the rEU won't go for that.

If EU does not agree, WTO tariffs apply. German industrialists and
French farmers would be up in
arms, so EU will cave in. If not, tough, EU dole queues get longer.

Meanwhile UK negotiates trade deals with rest of world (there have been
approaches already).

When was the last time the UK negotiated a trade deal?

as the 5th largest economy in the world, with the second best range of
universities in the world (and the best in Europe) with one of the top 5
destinations in the world that "elites" want to live in, why do you think
that we wont easily be able to employ the world's best

Because the recruiting and organisation of a trade negotiating team is
something that will be arranged and co-ordinated by Whitehall's finest, by
a bunch of people who have never undertaken a large scale trade negotiation
before. I think it will take more time and experience to get a good team
together to do this kind of task than we have.

The various
countries of the world are queueing up to screw over a desperate Britain
that needs trade deals fast and has no experience at how to negotiate
them.

Just how hard is it to make sure that a deal is equitable before signing?

It took Canada something like 9 years to negotiate the current trade deal
that is still being ratified and has a lot of problems. If we're starting
from a position of no experience and organisational expertise in the field,
trying to negotiate as many deals as we can in parallel as quickly as we
can, there is a high risk of us making errors when faced by opponents in
such negotiations with none of these problems.

Robin