"Recliner" wrote in message
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Optimist wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:02:14 +0100, "tim..."
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"Recliner" wrote in message
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Optimist wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:23:19 +0100, Roland Perry
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In message , at 17:57:23
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Sun, 17 Jul 2016, Optimist remarked:

Countries outside the "single market" sell into it all the time.

Of course they do, but have to deal with tariffs and quotas.

Unless they sign a free trade agreement. The EU has FTAs with many
countries which do not involve
adhering to the EU's single market rules.

But that trade involves a lot more paperwork than trade within the
single
market. So, although there aren't tariffs, the trade isn't
frictionless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36083664


Though the argument is, that that friction is a price worth paying in
order
to simplify our trade with ROW (and even intra-UK, for that matter)

Fully analysed, that pov might not be right, but Remainers can't simply
dismiss it as not existing (which is the generally the approach used so
far)

tim



The rules apply both ways. It will cost EU countries also to sell to the
UK, and they sell to us far
more than we buy from them. So in my view they will want to do a deal.
The Germans already do.

Yes, business people in industries that sell a lot to us will certainly
want a free trade deal (eg, cars, trains, wine, food, etc). Of courses,
lobbyists representing their industries where we have a surplus will be
against a free trade deal (eg, banking, insurance, TV programmes, music,
etc). Making sure we get free trade in the areas where we have a surplus
in
return for them having free trade in their strong areas will take a lot of
negotiation.

doesn't mean that it will be impossible to achieve (which is the claim)

tim