On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:16:20 +0100, "tim..."
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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:22:57 +0100, "tim..."
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"Wolfgang Schwanke" wrote in message
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I want us to be able to trade with our European neighbours. But I also
want us to have absolute control of our borders so we can limit the
numbers of non-UK people that we allow in

The UK is not in Schengen, so it has control over its borders already.

No we don't

in Schengen or otherwise, EU rules

EEA rules.

forbid us from excluding entry for
another EU citizen except in very exceptional circumstances. If someone
has
an EU passport,

Valid EEA ID card or passport.

they are in, end of.

The (usual) reasons for wanting to exclude someone:

Failing to produce the above.

Actually, failure to produce the relevant ID document is not a "usual"
reason for waning to exclude someone.

You had better tell the chap/ess who wrote the Border Force's
instruction book. Various reasons for refusal are clearly stated and
are reasonably expected events of which failure to prooduce suitably
ID is a rather basic reason although there is discretion allowed
unlike when a person is subject to a current deportation order or has
convicted of an offence for the punishment has exceeded specified
minimum periods
[https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigrat...s-for-refusal]

Whilst it is true that border control go to great lengths to ensure that
people without documentation don't actually turn up on their doorstep
(because it is expensive to deal with), if someone does manage it, then that
is not a prima facia reason to exclude them.

"Grounds on which entry clearance or leave to enter the United Kingdom
should normally be refused
(8) failure by a person arriving in the United Kingdom to furnish the
Immigration Officer with such information as may be required for the
purpose of deciding whether he requires leave to enter and, if so,
whether and on what terms leave should be given;"

There are a (large) set of individuals who do have a, de facto, right to
enter the UK and if you can satisfy border control that you are such a
person they will let you in, lack of documentation notwithstanding.

tim