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[email protected] · September 29th 16, 04:45 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On 29.09.16 17:15, Recliner wrote:
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On 29.09.16 12:06, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:29:24 +0100, "
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On 28.09.16 15:02, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 14:51:36 +0100, "
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On 28.09.16 14:07, Recliner wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 10:32:54 -0000 (UTC)
Recliner wrote:
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Rode on the bakerloo for the first time in years today. My god the 72 stock
is looking and sounding tired. Whoever is keeping them running is certainly
earning their money. Anyone know when replacements on the way? IIRC there is
going to be a block order for a number of lines.

Yes, see the many discussions on the NTfL, some of which you participated
in.

I was wondering about the state of play now, rather than what tfl promised
X years ago.

According to this report, bids were due to be submitted two days ago:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/business/single-view/view/bombardier-hitachi-joint-venture-to-bid-for-new-tube-for-london.html

Alstom, CAF and Siemens are also bidding.

The 1972 stock probably won't be replaced for at least a decade, as
the 1973 stock is first in the queue.

I would think that they would prioritise replacing the 73ts as this is
one of the first things that many people see when arriving into London
via LHR.

Yes, but that's not the reason. The plan is to resignal the Picc for a
more intensive service, which needs the new trains.

I thought that they were also planning to convert the line to crewless,
similar to what they have done on the Paris Metro's Line 1 and what they
were planning to do on Line 4.

That's a long-term aspiration, which is unlikely to be achieved when
the NTfL first enters service. They would need to install PEDs in the
underground stations, and some sort of obstacle detectors in the open
air stations.

I thought that this was all a part of the plan.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a plan. It may happen one day, but not
by the time the new trains enter service. They'll enter service with a
driver at the front, even if that driver has very little to do. The
self-driving capabilities might just be used to reverse the trains at the
end of the line, and perhaps to take them into the depot.

They have that feature on the U-Bahn Wien, and I heard that LUL wanted
to introduce that on the Northern Line, though the RMT killed that idea.