On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 23:37:32 +0000, Charles Ellson wrote:

On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 23:19:51 +0000, Optimist
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On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 19:47:10 +0000, Charles Ellson wrote:

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:42:30 -0000, "tim..."
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news On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:52:13 -0000, "tim..."
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I see that you snipped the bit where I explained that that is not caused
by
the actual act of leaving but by the Remoaners not accepting the
situation,

The people who have not "accepted the situation" are the Brexiteers
who organised the Leave campaign based greatly on fear and loathing of
foreigners and who promptly buggered off and left others to clear up
the resultant mess when the vote actually went their way.

What nonsense. "Brexit" is not about "fear and loathing of foreigners"

You missed the many people being interviewed on the television who
clearly weren't bothered about much else ?

I don't recall anyone on TV expressing "fear and loathing of foreigners" - unless you are referring
to the desire to have proper control of immigration which is already running at over 600,000 (1% of
the population) a year and we are already one of the most densely populated countries on the planet.


but about reverting to being self-governing like most other countries in the world.

So why are Brexiteers banging on about getting stuck into trade deals
which will shackle us to the USA ? At least that's the Brexiteers who
actually want to get involved unlike those who left it to others to
clear up after them.

Terms of FTAs crucial, EU / US TTIP pretty terrible, it's dead in the water now (by the way there's
an excellent video by Irish MEP Luke "Ming" Flanagan illustrating the secrecy that surrounded this
deal - copies of the document were severely restricted!). We can negotiate FTAs with countries all
over the world - China, USA, EU, Japan. S. Korea, many Commonwealth countries. How are Brexit
campaigners supposed to get involved unless the Prime Minister appoints them? Parliament even
excluded the one UKIP MP from the Brexit committee!


Also the exit process is being deliberately
drawn out by the current PM who was a Remainer. Had the government started the exit process
straight away, as Cameron said he would during the campaign, we could have the whole thing sewn up
in months not years.

Not possible with all the treaties etc. which have to be undone or
re-arranged.

All the more reason then to invoke Article 50 immediately rather than dither around (nearly 5 months
now). I can perfectly understand the frustration of the other EU countries with the UK faffing
about rather than getting on with Brexit.