On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:22:48 +0000, Martin Coffee wrote:

On 09/11/16 23:19, Optimist wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2016 19:47:10 +0000, Charles Ellson wrote:

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:42:30 -0000, "tim..."
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news On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:52:13 -0000, "tim..."
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I see that you snipped the bit where I explained that that is not caused
by
the actual act of leaving but by the Remoaners not accepting the
situation,

The people who have not "accepted the situation" are the Brexiteers
who organised the Leave campaign based greatly on fear and loathing of
foreigners and who promptly buggered off and left others to clear up
the resultant mess when the vote actually went their way.

What nonsense. "Brexit" is not about "fear and loathing of foreigners" but about reverting to being
self-governing like most other countries in the world. Also the exit process is being deliberately
drawn out by the current PM who was a Remainer. Had the government started the exit process
straight away, as Cameron said he would during the campaign, we could have the whole thing sewn up
in months not years.

No. What you have said is nonsense.

I know people that did vote divorce solely to "get rid of the
foreigners". They would be quite happy to remain in the EU without
foreigners.

That's fascism. Oswald Moseley wanted Europe to be united under Hitler, when that failed his Union
Movement supported the EEC as a prelude to full political union which the EU is aiming for now.

No-one I know voted to leave for that reason. Many ethnic minority people voted to leave because
they object to the current immigration policy of favouring Europeans over non-Europeans. One very
nice couple, originally from India, who run a fish & chip shop near me helped the campaign by
putting Leave leaflets on the counter for their customers to take away with their suppers.

It is quite obvious from the racial harassment which
followed the referendum why many people voted for divorce.

ALL those attacking ANYONE must be caught and prosecuted, and remember that Brexiters have been
attacked as well!


How can the exit process start when the divorce people left the
government with no plan for negotiation with the EU? You cannot come
with such a plan in days and you are seeing. There is only 2 years to
negotiate the divorce which is precious little even when there is a plan.

Hang on, it was Cameron who called the referendum. Despite promising to implement our decision, he
had no plans at all for dealing with a Leave vote, and is said to have forbidden the civil service
from working on a plan!

But there are plans if the government want to pick them up, produced by various Brexit groups. You
can find them on the web. But here's an outline:

Legislation to remove EU competence (i.e. power) over UK affairs but adopting current EU laws into
UK law so we can change, repeal or leave unchanged as required AFTER we leave.

Start discussions on tying up loose ends (staff costs, pensions etc.).

Inform the EU we are leaving on a particular date and say we intend to carry on trading with the EU
tariff-free as long as the other countries reciprocate.

EU governments are unlikely to refuse as adopting WTO/MFN rules would damage their businesses far
more than ours (German businesses in particular are lobbying to maintain tariff-free access to their
biggest market). We will no longer obliged to pay into the EU budget, so that will save us about
£10 billion a year net, and FTAs with non-EU countries will give us access to cheaper imports.


I do admit that many did vote divorce to become self-governing again.

I am old enough to remember politics before we went into the EC. Contrary to the alarmist reports
of some, we had human rights, equal pay, maternity pay etc. We had a health service (the NHS came
into existence when I was a few months old). We had a thriving fishing industry which the EU ruined
(compare it to Norway & Iceland which sensibly kept out), our own regional policy (no need for
regions to lobby in Brussels against each other for a small slice of the money we pay into the EU),
transport policy, immigration policy - everything. And when we went to the polls, we knew that the
process could sack one party from government and put in another.