On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:55:53 +0000 (UTC), d wrote:

On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:30:32 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message
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mber.org, at 09:08:01 on Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Recliner
remarked:
Double articulated trolleybuses have been in use in Switzerland for some
time. Dunno what sort of streets they use them on.

Ones with not huge amounts of other traffic, quite a lot of mopeds
buzzing around, and very few cyclists.

Everywhere? Some Swiss cities have lots of cyclists.

To be honest, I've only seen a couple of Swiss cities that have such
trolleybuses, but they are hilly, and thus not much fun to cycle in.

I don't think that lakeside Lucerne is particularly hilly?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/reclin...57655400441705

Never been there but Geneva and Lausanne are both hilly (the latter
having a specialty railway from the shore to the town centre).

Either way, the cyclists in europe seem to cope with bendy buses without a
problem. Its only the cyclists in this country who were determined to see them
banned despite them being a godsend for the disabled and parents with buggies.
Tells you all you need to know about a lot of the self righteous snowflakes on
bikes we have here.

It always seemed to me that the major risk to bikes was from HGVs, and
the bus thing was the imagination of a mayoral candidate who's grasp
of even what his own opinions were was less than firm and would do
anything for election (to be repeated later).

We've seen, successfully IMHO, how separating cycle traffic from the
rest can work well, as long as it improves walking routes as well.
This has a bigger positive effect than a minor (thoughtless,
vindictive) change to bus allocation while other drivers carry on as
before.

Double-artics are now in Barcelona as well, an ideal city for a bus
that likes straight roads. They have been removed from... Hamburg,
was it? Switzerland seems to be the best place to see them now.

Richard.