"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 11:41:56 on Mon, 6 Feb 2017,
tim... remarked:

Post-your=Brexit there's nothing to ensure that while the customs
people will let the stuff in, without a tariff, that the customer
will automatically discover it meets the standards.

That part is clearly within the SM

Hurrah!

but that is their problem

it isn't a reason why we should be part of, and achieve benefits
from, the CU

Are you now agreeing that the third of the following you listed
earlier is SM not CU:

No

because you are confusing

proof that you have met the SM rules

with having to account for the duty on the components/completed article

No I'm not. The distinction is clear.

AIUI the former is never done at borders and therefore does not impact
on the day to day costs of shipping goods.

Maybe not at internal borders, but if we take the apocryphal example of
straight bananas, they have to be checked when first imported into the
CU,

Do they

Do you have evidence of this?

but if that specification was in fact in force[1] then after we
leave the SM the UK could import mis-shapen bananas and then what's to
stop us shipping them to the Continent under CU?

the threat of a fine when caught

[1] Other parts of the Directive still are, such as freedom from pests
and pesticides.

That has to be done for immediate health and safety reason

it is not comparable with checking that goods meet some administrative
standard.

No-one will die if a straight banana sneaks through. Someone might if the
consignment contains a deadly spider.

Of course it impacts on the initial design costs and possibly requires
certification (though mostly products are self certified on pain of
fines for getting it wrong).

Not all products with specifications are manufactured goods (see above).

But the people who are making that (I accept, perfectly valid) point
are attributing it to our leaving the SM, when the reality is that they
will come from us leaving the CU.

You are making the assumption that everything we export to the
rest-of-EU in future will continue to meet the standards, and thus not
require inspection a the border.

no, I am not

I am claiming that there is no inspection for compliance at the border

and that enforcement is done at point of sale, on punishment of fines
(obviously plus loss of infringing goods) for non compliance

This is pretty standard practice with standards compliance.

How often do you see recalls of toys which don't meet the safety specs for 5
years olds.

If this border check is in place why wasn't the non compliance picked up
there?

But having left the SM, the specs will
drift apart.

for things that we export we will have to met those specs

but for things that we sell locally we wont (obviously assuming that there's
a financial advantage for having different product lines)

But this is no different from now where companies who export to the US/ROW
might have to follow different specs than for exports to the EU. Why do all
Remainers think that this is fundamentally difficult? (Obviously it is in a
small subset of cases, but that will be reflected in the price of the item)

One of the most significant being discussed on other lists
I subscribe to is the much stricter Data Protection rules due to come in
between now and Brexit, while the UK government is busy passing laws
which water down the existing rules.

Well I'll just have to leave the people who are experts in this to, sort it
out - above my pay grade

One of the things we export (under that SM umbrella) is data hosting and
processing facilities.

I did say that I was only referring to goods and that services might be a
problem

tim