On 09/06/2018 08:43, John Williamson wrote:
On 09/06/2018 07:32, Someone Somewhere wrote:

One reason for the roads being clogged is Boris's Cycle
Superhighways, and since they were completed, average traffic speeds
in central London have reduced from 11mph to 5.5mph for passenger
carrying vehicles permitted to use bus lanes.

And you make these points as an unbiased, non-coach owning point of view?

I make these points as a driver who has no choice but to drive in
London, and use evidence from the coach industry as that's the one I'm
involved in and see the problem it causes us every day. If you check the
freight operators and taxi drivers' pages on social media you will find
the same moans.

However, facts are facts, and if you choose to disbelieve them, that is
your loss.

This isn't about disbelieving facts, this is about whether coaches (a
subject you bought up) bring benefits to the majority of Londoners
(something else you bought up). You then bought up other points where
you didn't disclose that you were biased from a coach-owning/operating
point of view so I decided to call you out on it.

FWIW, I too believe cycle superhighways are a daftly implemented idea
and I've said so in this very forum.

Furthermore, I say that you're wrong on coaches and they are in fact are
a disbenefit to most Londoners and if they cost more and that shifts
people onto the trains all good for our traffic and our health. Rat
running (in breach of Access Only prohibitions and their LSP) coaches
are a menace to everyone.

Delivery lorries are necessary to support those who both live and work
in London and are a different matter, but that's not where you started
from, and it can be argued that they could be more efficient (both in
how they deliver and how they are fueled to make that delivery).

I too am a driver in London, but I'm also a resident, and any
unnecessary and over-polluting vehicle journey's really should be avoided.

The idea of commuting vast distances should be an anathema and don't get
me started on affordable housing - so much of the whining about that
(and the consequent insanely long commuting) is about having the house
you want, not just adequate accomodation - a £5k commute is worth £150k
in housing costs which can make up a big slice of the differential when
you can still get a 4 bed flat (albeit ex-LA and needing redecoration)
in parts of Zone 2 for less than £450k.