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Old March 26th 19, 10:24 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
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Default Passengers on the line at Leiwsham - RAIB report

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 10:19:13 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
wrote:

Roland Perry wrote:
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, at 09:07:00 on Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jeremy Double

remarked:

There's probably around a thousand trains without toilets in and around
London.

I know but it's becoming obvious that this is unsatisfactory.

I’m not sure where you’d put toilets on tube stock without
obstructing the
emergency exit to the next carriage; as you can’t walk through the train,
would you want a toilet in each carriage?

The point is made in the RAIB report that in the event of a train being
unable to move, underground trains behind it are held at stations, so the
problem that arose at Lewisham wouldn’t arise. This seems a very
reasonable approach on a metro-style railway where the trains are not
provided with toilets.


That still leaves the train which is 'broken down' in the tunnel, and I
don't believe the minimum block length on the Underground is fully from
one station to the next, so there could be a train in the tunnel behind
a broken down one.

Actually it's worse than that, because if a train manages to limp to a
station, or breaks down at a station, there's almost inevitably a least
one train at a stand in the tunnel behind it.


Yes, that's probably true on the busier lines with trains every two
minutes.

I think the train behind is then instructed to proceed slowly and couple to
the stalled train ahead.

Alternatively, it can be instructed to reverse to the previous station.

Not normally done on LU AFAIAA, mainly because of the need for
something to push the stalled train and the likelihood that by that
time the preceding station will also have a train in the platform. At
some locations there might be a convenient crossover for a train to be
backed out if the stalled train cannot be moved without engineering
intervention. One or two trains in a tunnel between two occupied
platforms is probably a regular event on the Jubilee Line and others
with close signalling and an intensive service; in some places on ATO
lines you can often see a following train less than a length away from
the platform when there is bunching.

If
the platform is already occupied, the reversing train will either couple up
to it, or the other train will also reverse a short distance, so that one
passenger door of the first train can get to the platform.

Obviously, this only happens once they have given up on moving the stalled
train any time soon.