On 06/06/2020 09:29, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:17:55 on Sat, 6 Jun 2020,
tim... remarked:
But if an FP holder visits Manchester, they can't use their pass
afterÂ* 11pm, although the locals can. I assume this restriction also
applies toÂ* any ENCTS card from outside Manchester.

It's a long-standing oddity that on Fridays the national bus pass is
notÂ* valid between 11pm and midnight (after midnight of course it's
SaturdayÂ* with no time restrictions).

I suspect that the "all day" rule is just intended to remove the
morning restriction

it's not mean to remove the 11pm restriction

In many areas that point is moot as there are no busses at that time,
and those that are available are more heavily subsidised, hence the
"oldies have to pay" rule

There are even some operators who exclude "night buses" from fully paid
ticket holders (be those all-day, or longer seasons). Requiring
additional one-off payment.

I think it's normal to exclude night buses from one-day tickets. (The
clue is in their name.) For longer seasons, it varies. Edinburgh's
changed a few years ago to include night travel, after a period when
season tickets gave a discount on a one-night ticket.

Edinburgh also has a hybrid ticket, valid one evening and night from 6pm
until about 4:30 am, though night buses are currently suspended.