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Old October 18th 04, 01:50 AM posted to uk.transport.london,uk.rec.cycling
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Default Institutionalised law-breaking using bikes - anarchy is near at hand

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as David
Hansen gently breathed:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:36:49 +0100 someone who may be Pyromancer
wrote this:-


Cyclists who deliberately crash red lights should, IME, have their bikes
confiscated by the authorities and auctioned off, to provide a source
of good but cheap bikes for those of us who do believe in obeying the
law.


Do you believe the same should happen to law breaking motorists?


Yes, though (as with cyclists), only to deliberate law-breakers who go
through long after the light has changed. ISTR a policeman on TV years
ago explaining that red-light cameras were set not to fire for the first
few seconds of the red so as not to be too hard on people who made a
genuine miscalculation, but instead to target deliberate and determined
law-breaking. The article included a video shot by a CCTV camera at a
crossroads where the lights for one route went to red, a car crossed
just as they went red and that wasn't a big problem, but then about 30
seconds later (which is a significant time in traffic-light terms) some
nutter in a van merrily drove through the red at 35mph and rammed a car
crossing legally on the green on the other road. Seemingly that had
been used in court and the van driver got a fairly hefty penalty, and
the video was being used to explain the then new concept of
traffic-light cameras.

IME every traffic light should have a camera, a red signal is a danger
signal and should *always* mean stop.

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