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Old November 12th 04, 07:19 PM posted to uk.transport.london
Malcolm & Nika Malcolm & Nika is offline
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Default Principles of LU gate operation

We wont go down the "suport from BTP" route. Its legendary. In fact there
are times where a CSA has detained a fare dodger only to find himself on
charges instead.
The CCTV thing is in operation on most stations.....as for local paper,
human rights issues and innocent until proven guilty etc.
Nice to see its an issue. I thought most people thought that these people
were very clever and secretly admired them. It seems like that on the
gateline with the number of people who let them out. Its amazing the amount
of people who give away there travelcard to some junkie to sell to feed his
habit.
The poor old CSA gets abuse for stopping people and then abuse for not
stopping people.....thats why they get shy and hide in the box.

"Tony Wilson" wrote in message
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"Malcolm & Nika" wrote in message
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Hello Tony...I can see this winds you up a bit.....and fair enough.
I can only help with a couple of things.
Its been mentioned before, tickets can be checked for traveling accross

zone
1 with only Z2 validity. Its the coloured triangles on the bottom. Turn
up
in Z2 in the east with a west coloured triangle and its easy to spot.

Hence
the inspection before you leave the barrier.


Fair enough - that's news to me (though can still see holes in that as a
way
of checking this, e.g NR travelcard)


Remember the man/woman in the box is not a ticket inspector. They are
"Customer Service Assistants". They are there to provide assistance at
the
gates as someone has to be within 5 seconds of an emergency release
incase
anyone gets stuck. They have other things to do also, but inspecting

tickets
is well down the list. Lots of them do this though and they can resrtict
access through the gates by rejecting certain codes such as child tickets

to
confirm age of person.
But this puts them in places of risk and I'm sure there are some
unsavoury
characters around and if it was you would you want to put yourself into
conflict with these people. Alone. Late at night.



I honestly don't expect them to, as I wouldn't challenge them myself
alone-
but I would expect them to report that it happens and for them to be
backed
up by regular Revenue and BTP support. As a minimum, can't they record it
on
CCTV and then put photos in the local paper with a cash reward for
identification, which pretty much gives the police the fare dodger on a
plate with no risk to LU staff? High quality cameras and adverts for this
would pay for themselves many times over I'd have thought. Not applicable
to
central London obviously but a fare dodger at a station like Becontree has
to be local.

Thanks,
Tony