Ian Jelf wrote:
In message , Dave Arquati
writes

Ian Jelf wrote:

In message , The Only
Living Boy in New Cross writes

"Ian Jelf" wrote in message
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Finally, why do people give South of the River such a hard time?
I've
seen better areas than Peckham but I've seen *much* worse, too!

Don't start me on this one...I get sick of ignorant colleagues who've
never been further south than Leicester Square looking at me as if
I've survived a war zone on a daily basis!

Some people (all North Londoners) I was talking to after a walk
recently were all coming out with this sort of stuff. I was trying
to get them interested in a guided walk of Crystal Palace and the
principal reason they weren't interested was because it was so
difficult to get to places south of the river by public transport.

Oh yes... the frequent and widespread train network in South London
makes it extremely difficult to get anywhere, not to mention trams and
buses... :-)

You just but that was precisely the point that was being made to me. No
tube = no public transport.

When I mentioned the NR network, someone said that they knew of one
station where there was only a train **every half an hour**! When I
said that most of the network had far more - and in any case every 30
minutes would be considered good in some areas - I was treated to the
incredulous one-liner "but you'd need a **timetable**"!

Shocking.

I could understand if a half-hourly service was widespread across the
network, but a quick look at the Overground Network map shows about 50
stations with 6tph or more. Perhaps you should carry around a copy to
give to these people :-)

Perhaps that's a Tube map mentality, which might be partly resolved
when the Overground Network-style maps are combined better with Tube
maps.

Indeed.

I've had a good look at some of the new "High frequency services" maps
at Tube stations now, but I'm not particularly keen on them; the
information is useful but isn't presented very clearly. I much prefer
the Overground Network map, which could be improved more easily.


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Dave Arquati
Imperial College, SW7
www.alwaystouchout.com - Transport projects in London