"Rich Mallard" wrote in message
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Having had several journeys to and from work on these, I wonder if anyone
else agrees with my observations:


In summary a pretty nasty "urban" train built by a train manufacturer that
should know better - how many years do we have to suffer these things
again?

I've never been on any of these new trains, so don't wish to comment on
them - my only observation is that all your criticisms relate to interior
design which was surely the choice of the TOC rather than the manufacturer.
You yourself note what you consider to be superior interior designs on
fleets of trains built by the same manufacturer for different TOCs, so I
think you should reconsider your damning criticism of the maufacturer.