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Old February 28th 05, 08:06 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
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Default IPPR suggest "Greater South East" rail body

simon wrote:
Colin wrote:

TfL have suggested a 'London Rail' area partly based upon the current 'Inner
Suburban' services, and data that shows (on a ward-by-ward basis) the number
of people who commute to London every day for work reasons.

It is bigger than London, but certainly not as big as NSE.

See Page 9 in this presentation:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/rail/downloads...-Conf-2004.pdf


Why does that TfL suggested area cover the blue area (low train share
of commutes) at Aylesbury, but not the red area (high train share of
commutes) in South Essex (lines to Southend and Southminster)? stupid!
Can anyone give a good reason why they haven't included these lines,
because I cannot think of any? Also crossrail would go outside of the
boundary, unless there are plans to reduce it even further - just to
Slough. Ebbsfleet is not on it, and neither is a particually yellow/red
patch around Tonbrige - again any suggestions why TfL don't want to
look after these routes?


Aylesbury is in it because co-ordination of services to Amersham would
include Chiltern services there, all of which extend to Aylesbury.

South Essex is probably outside because those services serve few
destinations inside the GLA area. Generally the boundary has been set so
that stopping services at GLA stations are included; those stopping
services extend outside the GLA boundary to the places marking the TfL
London Rail boundary.

Anyway I feel that neither of these destinations are "Inner Suburban".
I note that the WCML route only goes as far as Watford, but the ECML
goes as far as Stevenage. It's not consistant really and that what
annoys me most about the extent of the proposals.

I also laugh that, though it's LU, Chesham station would just be
outside of the area - you'd have thought that they would adjust the
line slightly to cover that.


Since this is a London Rail area, Chesham isn't included because it's a
London Underground-only service!

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