Tom Anderson wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Dave Arquati wrote:


Tom Anderson wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, asdf wrote:


and they are seriously considering re-extending the Bakerloo to
Watford and re-assessing the Silverlink services - they consider that
there is an over-supply of service to central London between
Wealdstone and Queen's Park.

I think people here are underestimating how popular Euston is as a
destination

So, how about adding *more* trains to the Euston service, and running it
on a tube-like basis?

The original problem is that TfL consider there not to be sufficient
demand to sustain the *current* level of service to central London
(whether that's Oxford Circus etc or Euston only) - I highly doubt that
an *increased* level of service would be viable - certainly not
fundable.


I thought that the problem was south of Harrow, which is really about
having all the Bakerloos, which people don't want, alongside the handful
of Silverlinks, which people do want. Granted, running 12 tph of each is
definitely overkill (there's 4 + 7-14 at the moment, i think), but the
solution can't be to destroy the Silverlinks, it has to be to cut back the
Bakerloo and run more Silverlinks! How about 6 tph of each, or 8 of
Silverlinks and 4 of Bakerloo?

If the Bakerloo was originally cut back to Wealdstone because more
passengers north of there wanted Euston, then there must be a sizeable
number of passengers south of Wealdstone who want the Bakerloo - and the
number probably increases towards the centre - which would make cutting
back the Bakerloo an unpopular move.

From another point of view, I find it unlikely that more people want to
travel to the immediate vicinity of Euston than people who want to
continue further into either the City or West End.

The Bakerloo provides a service direct to the West End, and to all parts
of the City with a single change. Euston provides a direct service to
neither, requiring a single change in both cases. Euston also has an
interchange disadvantage compared to Bakerloo stations, particularly
when transferring to Euston Square.

Using the Bakerloo to reach the City must have a slightly slower journey
time, but the disbenefit for those travelling to the City is probably
well offset by the money saved from not running the Silverlink services.
If the Bakerloo were cut back instead of Silverlink, then everyone
wishing to reach anywhere not in the immediate vicinity of Euston will
have to change to the Underground - but if the Bakerloo provides the
sole service, then only passengers travelling to the City have to change
- and they had to anyway.

(snip)

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