In article .com,
Jim wrote:

Hey Dave- I'm interested in this too... why not post your reply in
group here instead, for the benefit of other curious ppl?

It's been posted here too, but the OP doesn't seem to be able to see
his replies ! This query should get them all for you:
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...ct%3Abasements

Nick
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