On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:29:32 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:36:49 +0100, Clive
wrote:

I have always advocated total separation for safeties sake.

*Total* separation would be fine. The trouble is, it is both
difficult and expensive to achieve that - you will always have some
interface between the modes. Given that Milton Keynes was planned
from more or less scratch, and while it did get a certain level of
separation between motorised and non-motorised transport, I suspect
that I'm not the only one thinking that.

The thing that is missing from all this is the fact that off road cycle
paths are significantly more dangerous to the cyclist than cycling on the
road.

Studies on the continent, MK, and the recent TFL study all found that off
road cycle paths increase the risk of death and serious injury. Try
cycling on one and you soon find out why, bad design, bad surface and zero
priority at junctions.

What is really needed is better standards by both cyclists and motorists,
backed up by improved laws. We need to fill in the missing law of death by
careless driving , and replace the d-b-dangerous driving with an upgraded
offence.

Steve

Steve