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Old December 28th 05, 12:54 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.local.london,uk.transport.london
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Default Teenager dies 'playing' on hi-speed track out of Paddington



MIG wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
MIG wrote:
Graffiti and other vandalisms are crimes and generally despicable.
They are not capital offences.

Nobody ever said that they were, although the owner of a house
whose side wall has been 'tagged' three times in the last month
might disagree.

People trespassing on railway lines know that there are risks, but
that doesn't mean that they intend (or deserve) to die, any more
than people who cross roads.

Quite true & nobody here said that they should be, buts lets be
clear in most cases they brought the problems on thereselves.

People who are interested in railways have been ridiculed for
years (eg the term "trainspotter", for which there is no
equivalent for anyone interested in any other industry).

Well there is 'planespotters' but there has been no suggestion that
these people were enthusiasts.


Oh dear, been away too long to catch up, but my point was that
railway "enthusiasts" are so used to being ridiculed that this may
be why they feel satisfaction when their industry of interest kills
someone who didn't take it seriously enough.


Take what seriously?



The railway industry. What else was I talking about?


Do you mean "the industry" or the equipment it uses?




I don't think that the people killed
were enthusiasts.


We don't know what they're enthusiastic about, if anything.



Of course we don't. A previous poster misunderstood me to be
suggesting that they were on the railway because they were railway
enthusiasts. I certainly wasn't suggesting that. I was referring to
railway enthusiasts' reaction to people getting killed.


Like other people, there will be a variety of reactions and views. I suspect
there are many with no interest in the railways at all whose basic attitde
will be "tough ****, shouldn't have been there".

So we have a tendency to think "hey, our trains are well 'ard;
we've managed to kill another one; that'll show 'em that we ought
to be taken seriously".

Who said that?

I suggested that there was a tendency to think it, not that someone
said it.


The only person likely to think that seems to be you.



It's a possible explanation for the evidence in the form of the kind
of messages that get posted here every time someone is killed on the
railway. Even if no one thinks it, it's still a possible explanation.


If something can be imagined then it's possible which significiantly
different to the likelihood of it happening.

But I don't see why our pride in being interested in an industry
which involves dangerous machinery should make us quite so gleeful
about people getting killed by that machinery. I don't think it
happens in other industries.

Please show me a gleeful post in this thread.


"Simon" seems to have done that admirably already.


If you think that then you really do have problems with
comprehension.



I certainly don't comprehend your comment. Previous posters suggested
that there had been nothing gleeful. "Simon" then challenged this by
quoting many comments from other postings that could be said to be
gleeful or at least satisfied by the fact that these people had been
killed on the railway. There is no need for me to reproduce the same
list of quotes.


Sorry I misread you earlier post - ""Simon" seems to have done that
admirably already."