Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Dowager
writes

Question: Surely you can't be sold a valid ticket (whether pre- or
post- journey) AND also be issued with a PF for that same journey?

Yes: http://www.ircas.co.uk/penaltyfares/pf_faq.htm

If you board a train without a valid ticket for your entire
journey, or a valid Permit to Travel, you may be charged a
Penalty Fare of £20 or twice the full single fare (whichever is
the greater) to the next stop, plus the full single fare to
complete your journey.

Surely that suggests that it would actually be a 'no'? If you've completed
your journey before they feel your collar, you can't be charged the single
fare and the PF (she was at the destination station after all, not on a
train)?

I think the quoted FAQ has a more 'statutory' origin in Section 8.4 of the
SRA's Penalty Fare Rules document at
http://www.ircas.co.uk/documents/doc...les%202002.pdf,
and this seem to be even more clear-cut on the issue:

"A receipt given under rule 8.4 or a notice given under rule 8.3 must allow
the person to whom it is given to continue the train journey to which it
relates to the next scheduled stop or to any other stop shown on that
receipt or notice. If the person wants to travel beyond this stop, they must
pay the relevant fare from this stop to their destination station as well as
the penalty fare. If the receipt or notice is given in connection with a
compulsory ticket area, it must allow the person to leave the compulsory
ticket area."

Also interesting that no 'appeal notice' or receipt were actually handed out
in this instance: These are required by the Rules if a PF is issued.

The whole thing stinks IMHO, and I don't believe Southern have got a leg to
stand on if they choose to pursue this.

Anyway, thanks for the v. helpful responses - Next stop uk.legal! ;-)