On Sep 7, 12:30 pm, bobrayner wrote:
On 6 Sep, 21:49, MIG wrote:

Bob Crow is nothing but a cynical opportunist. Notice that despite him
always mouthing off about safety he's not said a lot about the Virgin
crash at Grayrigg... Wonder why that might be.

Wasn't there a thread slagging him off for what he did say?

In fact there are threads slagging him off for what he actually says,
for what he is alleged to say but doesn't and for not saying anything,
whether he does or not.

Basically, a lot of people want to claim that he is an evil monster
and repeatedly do so in a series of gratuitous, abusive non-sequiturs.-

How about we stick to what Crow actually said, then?


So you agree that the previous poster was incorrect about him having
said nothing, while using the false assertion as an excuse to throw in
some gratuitous abuse.



For instance:
"You don't see bolts falling off planes and space ships. What Network
Rail should be doing is bringing all work into the public ownership"


Yes it should.



I thought the safety statistics showed the railways have got safer
since privatisation. Crow knows better, though; state-owned bolts
never fail, unlike those evil profit-motivated bolts!


So are you saying that the cause of the crash was simply that some
bolts failed? I don't remember reading that in the report. Oh yeah,
you want an excuse to abuse Bob Crow, referring to things he didn't
say about something that didn't happen.



And:
"Management have to take the rap when it goes wrong. We will not allow
our staff to be scapegoats."


Quite right. No one should be scapegoated ever.



And:
"If points failure is the cause there must be a robust investigation
into the management system's failings that led to it and there must be
no attempt simply to scapegoat staff."


I really don't see the problem with that.



Obviously it was all Management's fault. Didn't the union hold up the
RAIB investigation for a few days with silly demands?


I don't know of any. What were they?


That's no problem; because if you already know that Management are to blame, who
needs an investigation into the actual technical failure and the
surrounding maintenance work...?


Did he say that? In your quote he said that staff shouldn't be
scapegoated. Scapegoating staff (if anyone did it, which I don't
think they did) would also be an alternative to investigating the
actual problem.