On 6 Nov, 13:52, Ken wrote:


[1] Except between two "overground" stations that are also "tube"
stations, but this represents only a tiny fraction of NR train
journeys.

Not true. I frequently travel Manor House - Stratford via the NLL. I
have a z1-2 travelcard and (before PAYG) used my oyster + a paper
extension ticket. When PAYG came along I had understood it was OK to
swipe in/out (iirc the cost was the same).

However I was penalty fared about 2 months ago. I had a long argument
with a member of the PF staff (who didn't strike me as a LUL person
but I may be wrong). He told me *categorically* that you could not use
PAYG on *any* overground line (which is of course not true - I checked
and there were routes that were OK).

Very unhelpful and unnecessary. If you could buy train tickets at tube
stations things would be much better. Basically the whole tube system
is a blot on the UK public transport network. Having all these
stations refusing to issue through tickets to the rest of the rail
network seems amazingly old-fashioned.

Francis