On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:50:21 +0000,
Charles Ellson wrote:
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:16:48 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:
"Ken" wrote
But Oyster PAYG will be accepted from Day One, throughout the
"Overground" network, even to Watford Jct., which is a big change.
Presumably Oyster PAYG will also be accepted on Southern between Watford
Junction and Clapham Junction, and on West Midlands (ex-Silverlink County)
between Watford Junction and Euston. But is this spelt out anywhere?
Presumably, though, not on VWC between Watford Junction and Euston, in view
of the take up/set down status of stops at Watford Junction.
The specific references to "North London Railway" and the map on:-
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...ground-map.pdf
would seem to exclude Southern and the non-DC route from Euston to
Watford.
It's going to be a nightmare and people are going to get very confused
if that is the case. :-(
There are validators in the subway at the entrances to platforms 7 and 9
so it certainly seems that the long term intention is to enable oyster
to be used on the mainline trains from WJ. The only use for these
validators I can think of is for people coming from platform 11. I've
not noticed if there's a validator near the carpark entrance on platform
9. I'm assuming there will be validators near platforms 1-4 (if I
remember tomorrow I'll take a look) otherwise the ones in the subway
could also be for people changing from mainline to DC line at WJ - but
that seems crazy - people running for a train are bound to forget to
validate in the subway.
My current WJ-Euston season ticket was 2064GBP.
On a quick look at the current timetables the "best" PAYG route would
be:
07:40 depart WJ
07:56 arrive H&W
07:58 depart H&W on the train that departed WJ at 07:52 (so adding 12
minutes to the journey time)
This would cost 4:50 PAYG assuming WJ is in zone A like Watford (Met).
Assume return before 7pm and the daily return fare is 9GBP.
Assume 220 days and thats 1980GBP so very little in it.
I very rarely return before 7pm (and often depart before 7am) which
would reduce the fare to 6GBP/day or 1320GBP
(In this case the best route I can see would depart WJ at 06:20 joining
with the 06:38 WJ departure rather than the (non-stop) 06:42 departure
so 26 minutes longer - the 06:25 gets in at 06:46 so anyone doing this
is going to see two trains go past that they could have been on and
either have had more time in bed or more time in London)
It's going to become a game for people to either be close to the guard
when a train departs Euston (so they get their PAYG checked before H&W)
or far away from the guard when the train departs WJ so the guard
doesn't see them until after H&W. (and of course anybody who wants to do
this should make sure they get on a H&W stopping train and probably know
the arrival time of the DC line so they can claim they were in the
toilet to account for the timings ;-)
Tim.
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