"spindrift" wrote in message
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On 5 Feb, 15:00, "Budstaff"
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"spindrift" wrote in message

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"Apparently there is evidence to
suggest that the figure may be _reduced_ if bikes and PTW's both use
bus
lanes. If that is the case, what will your position on sharing be? "

Based on 3 trials, one of which was stopped.

There's no data in the article or quotes from the report, just vague
statements like, "conditions for cyclists did not significantly
deteriorate". None of that is particularly reassuring. Apparently the
methodology of the study is also in question.

I really don't want more mopeds and motorbikes trying to squeeze into
cycle lanes - they do enough of that already. As for bus lanes, in
London there are already countless cabbies (and private coaches)
bullying cyclists in these.

I also have a general problem with motorbikes - they tend to break the
speed limits even more that cars, and enjoy seeing how quickly they
can accelerate away from lights and put on bursts of speed between
lights. I really don't want them doing that a few inches from me in a
bus lane thanks.

"I note with mild (if regretful) satisfaction that you no longer take
issue
with the assertion that you are anti-motorcyclist. "

I'm not anti-motor cyclist or anti-motorist, I've asked you nine times
now to show a quote from me that proves otherwise.

You've asked me twice, ref motorcycles. You've snipped the proof I gave
from
this very post. No reasonable person could say what you say, or cite
what,
you site, and _not_ be either anti-motorcyclist or highly confused.

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I repeat, if highlighting the high accident rates between PTWs abnd
cyclists is "anti-motorist" then so are drink driving adverts.

Look, we both admit the data is sketchy.

Whether something is really safer or not is of secondary importance to
policy makers tasked with promoting cycling. What matters to them is
how safe cycling feels, and if sharing bus lanes with motorbikes feels
more scary to cyclists, especially the less confident "growth tip" of
the cycling population, which it does, it'll not fit with that policy.

I think you're confusing two things. I've not disputed your accident rates
for PTW/cyclists, merely the relevance of that data to the issue of bus-lane
sharing. And it's not your quoting of that data that makes you
anti-motorcycle. It's your view, re-stated above, that you would put the
feelings of cyclists above the safety of motorcyclists, which is 'of
secondary importance.... to promoting cycling'.

Really not much point in discussing the matter further.