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Old November 15th 03, 11:57 PM posted to uk.transport.london
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Default The UK march agaimst Bush

(a) Hire the Albert Hall or some other venue and shou, rant,
community singing, burn effigies or whatever, but don't do it so
that Central London is put into gridlock.


And this is going to get the attention of anyone?


Oh, so you judge the success of the demonstration by the disruption (disruption
= attention) it causes? I thought it was done for the pleasure of those who
attended communing with like-minded souls and feeling good in themselves for
doing something that they thought was right.

The demonstrators clearly didn't invite him here and didn't want him
here,


No, but we have elected Governmnets to make big decisions like who to recommend
for State visits. You can always vote against them for this (and other) reasons
when the next Election comes along.

o why they should care that Bush is a "GUEST" (any different
from "guest"?) is beyond me.


Because that's the way international relations work: Heads of State are invited
on State Visits. I don't recall much if any demonstrations when Ceacescu was
invited here by Callaghan, or a dozen African dictators through the 1970s.

If I invite Pinochet round to my house
does that mean that people who so desire should protest to me about him
getting away with murder? Or should they do the sensible thing and
protest about him?


If you invited Pinochet to your house presumably as a guest, you would protect
him from such protestors - or are you the sort of person that would invite
someone just so that their enemies can have ago at them?

But some random asylum seeker is a person who hasn't done anything to
offend you beyond existing. It's not analogous to the mere presence of
asylum seekers, because it's not the presence of Bush that they're
protesting about. It's the things that Bush has done and may yet do.
It'd be like expressing your disagreement and dislike of an asylum
seeker who regularly kicked dogs if you were opposed to the kicking of
dogs.


I happen to know (as does the Government and most of the legal profession) that
the VAST majority of asylum seekers are here simply as economic migrants, and I
object in principle to them coming here for that reason. That does not give me
the right to treat them unfairly, despit the fact that I daily see the harm
that their presence is doing to the GENUINE asylum seekers and race relations
generally. The problem is one caused by the Government, and it is to it that I
would address my objections.

Marc.