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Old November 16th 03, 11:51 AM posted to uk.transport.london
Mait001 Mait001 is offline
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Default The UK march agaimst Bush

If a majority in the U.K. vote in a certain way, they can change
the Government of the U.K.


Not true. A majority of the UK can vote in a certain way and still not
see their choice of government elected.


It is still theoretically possible.

The example you go on to quote is a valid "example" but not inevitably the
case.

We have no control whatsoever over them, and there is nothing we
could do to change the overall majority in the European Parliament
- ever.


Well, we're in a minority aren't we? So it's only right and fair that
we have no control over them.


No, my Government has no right to absolve its right and duty to govern: it has
no right to surrender rights and privileges that have been GIVEN to it over
many centuries by the electorate, in exchange for the right to be removed from
office if they are disliked.

(This response is based on your own
reasoning with regard to people in the UK whose political beliefs are
not mainstream enough to have a significant influence at elections.)


I, unlike you, it seems, argue that a nation is distinct from a group of
nations. The former has a legitimate coherence of common values and tolerance,
whilst the latter does not. History, whether you like it or not, proves me
right. England as a nation, and the U.K. to which it has belonged for
admittedly less long, has stood the test of time (as has the U.S.A., for
example: it is a nation, not a federation of unconnected neighbouring bits of
land which just happen to share same geographical location). None of the
ancient or more modern empires have stood the test of time.

And the Commission is made up of second-rate clapped out
politicians, only some of whom are not corrupt.


Much like the House of Commons really.


At least the House of Commons can be, and often is, replaced. I have little
evidence that the Commission has ever got rid of its undesirables, or those
that have gone still draw their lifetime pay.

No, just seeing things from your bizarre point of view.

You say that a person's vote in a UK election is their means of
expressing their opinion, and yet the UK's share of the votes in a
European election is somehow to small to matter. What a bizarre and
nonsensical contradiction. It really shocks me that someone so
completely incapable of logical thought, and with such an internally
inconsistent point of view has managed to succeed in the world.


Now if I were the ONLY person who held such views, then I would really be
doubting my sanity by now, but thankfully I am not.

Marc.