On 29 Feb, 09:26, Offramp wrote:
On Feb 29, 9:14 am, MIG wrote:





On Feb 29, 6:52 am, Offramp wrote:

On Feb 28, 10:43 am, MIG wrote:

On 28 Feb, 10:09, John B wrote:

On 28 Feb, 09:55, Offramp wrote:
[DLR]

Do they still have those misleading - totally incorrect in fact -
signs on the validators that only pay-as-you-go customers need to
swipe in? (It should be that all Oyster customers need to swipe in).

Eh? Only PAYG customers do need to swipe in - if you have a Travelcard
that covers you for the zones you're intending to travel in, you don't
need to swipe in, whether you're on NR, LU, DLR or a bendy bus.

You might disapprove of this policy out of some misguided anti-season-
ticket-holder-animosity, but it's The Case [why the flaming hell would
it not be? They have paid a great deal of money for a valid ticket
that covers their journey...]

That's not quite true. *If you have a zone 1 - 2 travelcard on Oyster
and continue to West Ruislip via Bank using PAYG for the excess, you
do need to touch in somewhere. *True, you can do it at Bank, but might
as well be at your starting station to avoid forgetting.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...f_carriage.pdf
On page 12:
6.6.1. When you use Docklands Light Railway, London Underground and
National Rail
services, you must touch your Oyster card on the card reader at both
the start and the end
of your journey. If the ticket gates at stations are open you must
still touch your Oyster card on the card reader.

That ties in with TfL's general Conditions of Carriage.
There is no mention of what type of ticket; it just means all Oyster
cards. There's obviously a lot of fare evaders in this group!-

Explain how a journey with a travelcard within the zones covered by
the travelcard is fare-evasion.

You are obviously one of the many people who believe that the purpose
of Oyster is to make it easier to enforce the rules of Oyster.

I do not see what your point is, or why you have become so defensive.
The Conditions of Carriage are very clear, and I won't repeat them.
People who for some reason do not want to obey those conditions must
have a reason for not obeying them. I do not know what that reason is,
but I have my own opinion, which I will keep to myself.

You added a comment about met: "You are obviously one of the many
people who believe that the purpose of Oyster is to make it easier to
enforce the rules of Oyster."
I do not know what makes you think that. I have simply quoted the Cs-o-
C

I was getting at your assumption that any non-compliance with
Conditions is somehow fare-evasion. Some people refuse to see the
difference and think that it's justified to punish people with maximum
fares if they didn't touch correctly, just because it's the rules, in
cases where there can be no suspicion of fare-evasion.

Your accusations are bizarre if you really think that not touching
your travelcard on the DLR and then getting charged a maximum fare at
the end of your extended-zone journey is fare-evasion. Can you
describe a situation in which someone with a travelcard valid for the
DLR can in any way save money by not touching in at the DLR? Maybe a
zone 1 only travelcard, in which case you could rightly be caught in
the zone 2 or 3 sections.

The Conditions are clearly nonsensical anyway, since many travelcard
journeys covered by them begin and end at places where it is not
possible to touch in or out. I used to do a regular journey between
SE suburbs and SWT suburbs where the only place I ever touched was at
the SWT suburban end (no validators at Waterloo or in the SE area).

This was fare-evasion according to you, but not to the many RPOs who's
machines gave green lights when they checked my card.