On Feb 29, 10:48*pm, Offramp wrote:
First of all I should point out to you that you cannot be charged with
fare evasion if you have a valid ticket.
If you go to this page - a current page -http://getoutmore.dlr.co.uk/carriage/index.asp
you can get the .pdf of the DLR's Cs of C; which reads exactly as it
did two years ago:

6.6.1. When you use Docklands Light Railway, London Underground and
National Rail
services, you must touch your Oyster card on the card reader at both
the start and the end
of your journey. If the ticket gates at stations are open you must
still touch your Oyster card on the card reader.

That is what it says at the moment - does anyone have a link to a more
up-to-date version where the DLR is exempted? That would be very
useful.

Given that all of NR without Oyster can't be included, such conditions
would be nonsensical. If they are not current, as suggested, they
were even more nonsensical when written.


Why does one have to touch in - apart from it being a condition of
your carriage?

If the only reason for a rule is to enforce the rule that you must
follow the rules, then the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
(Yeah, with Oyster I often think that they have.)

Or perhaps a sensible reason might be to make sure that people pay the
right fare. People who have a valid travelcard have paid the fare and
can demonstrate that they have, to the satisfaction of anyone who has
ever checked tickets on on the DLR, and are not punished for not
touching in. Do you seriously think that they should be?


Someone with a zone 2 weekly, who is travelling from Prince Regent to
Canary Wharf, and who does not swipe in at Prince Regent "because I
don't have to touch in there" and then gets a call on his mobile to
meet a friend at Camden Town, and changes at Bank and travels to that
meeting and touches out at Camden Town... what is that? Fare evasion
or a penalty fare?

If they are doing that, they are not travelling within the zones
covered by their travelcard. The call must have come while they still
were, or else they are already evading their fare. So they touch in
at the station where they were originally planning to get off and
start again.


Or someone has a zones 1 & 2 travelcard and is stopped by an RCI
between Euston Square and King's Cross, and has travelled from
Heathrow, but who says he has travelled from Prince Regent, "because I
don't have to touch in there," is he liable for a penalty fare (or
prosecution)?

Should be liable for prosecution, but should have been checked between
Heathrow and zone 2. How would he have got in anyway?

You have highlighted the different assumptions of guilt between PAYG
and travelcards, but the situation is the same as it would with a
paper travelcard. Swap an NR zone 6 station for Heathrow and how
could he touch in?


Just a reminder - the last one:
"When you use Docklands Light Railway, London Underground and National
Rail
services, you must touch your Oyster card on the card reader at both
the start and the end
of your journey."

Some people seem to think this is a massive disaster - it may be, but
it is a c of c.

It's also impossible for many journeys. If, as suggested, it's out of
date, then it was even more impossible when it was written, because
there were less Oyster validators in the past.