On Mar 8, 7:58*pm, Offramp wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:10 pm, MIG wrote:



On Mar 8, 4:38 pm, Offramp wrote:

On Mar 8, 1:46 am, MIG wrote:

On Mar 8, 1:16 am, Offramp wrote:
You still seem to be convinced that any non-compliance with
(nonsensical) ToCs must be fare evasion and that "when asked" implies
being caught out somehow.

Your argument - and other posters' arguments - is based on the premise
that the Cs-o-C are nonsensical.

Imagine that *a man is checked on a train between Bank and London
Bridge. He has a zone 1 and 2 weekly. The Inspector sees that he has
not touched in. The man says that he has travelled from Prince Regent,
but the Inspector checks the man's address and he in fact lives at
Finchley Central, and is registered there. In fact he lives on Station
Road, the very side where there are no gates!

The travel history shows touching validators only at London Bridge.

How does the man prove where he has travelled from in order to avoid a
PFN or prosecution?

He doesn't have to, any more than he would need to if his travelcard
was on paper or if he had travelled on NR. *Green light, no address
check, everyone happy.

Inspectors don't just look for a green light - they are also looking
for where the Oyster was last used (among other things). An inspector
would ask if there was no station of ingress shown and may well ask
for an address if he thinks fare evasion has taken place.

By your logic, why not just arrest everyone in the world on the
grounds that they can't prove that they didn't travel from Finchley
Central without a valid ticket? *None of them could prove it.

There is no need to arrest everyone in the world, and I don't quite
see how my logic and the logic of the conditions of carriage could be
stretched to being a demand to arrest everyone in the world.
What the Cs-of-C ask for is that everyone with an Oyster has to touch
in where there are validators. It is in the section under 'Season
tickets'.

Actually, they don't, they say to touch in at the start and the end of
the JOURNEY, if you have a season on Oyster. They don't say to do so
at any validator that you pass. There are many routes into the system
where someone with a travelcard season won't be able to touch in at
the start of their journey, for example all the stations south of the
river with no Oyster validators or barriers. This means that there is
a logical flaw in the CoC, saying that you have to do something that
is impossible to do on many rail services at the moment.

That way, our hypothetical man who travels from Finchley Central every
day with a zones 1 & 2 weekly, but who says he has travelled from
Prince Regent, can have his penalty fare.

I know that you will reply again saying that the Conditions of
Carriage are nonsensical and that everyone is happy, but those are
things for you to take up with Tfl's legal department. All I have done
is point out the relevant section and given at least one good reason
why that section would be there.