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Old March 28th 08, 08:12 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london,misc.transport.urban-transit
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Default Crossrail could bankrupt London - says Ken Livingstone


On 28 Mar, 01:48, Andy wrote:

On Mar 27, 11:59 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Andy wrote:


On Mar 26, 6:53 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:


On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Mr Thant wrote:


On 25 Mar, 23:49, Tom Anderson wrote:


The Jubilee?


To Docklands. AIUI the Jubilee between London Bridge and North
Greenwich is already one of the most congested bits of the network.


Right. And how is Crossrail going to relieve that? By letting people on
the North Kent line from east of Abbey Wood change there? That's not
exactly a huge fraction of the Jubilee's passengers, is it? And don't they
already have the option to do Greenwich - Docklands by DLR? Not that
that's exactly a high-capacity route itself.


There will also be the East London Line extension feeding passengers in
at Whitechapel. These passengers who would currently goto London Bridge
for the Jubilee line.


Oh, i see. So, Kent - New Cross Gate - Whitechapel - Canary Wharf?
They'll make two changes and a sort of spiral round Docklands?


No, not Kent, London Bridge is not purely served by South Eastern, but
by Southern as well. The ELLX will run West Croydon and Crystal Palace
to Whitechapel giving passengers one stop on Crossrail to Docklands.
North Kent will be served by changing at Abbey Wood, as others have
suggested. There will also be the possibility of Thameslink passengers
changing at Farringdon from the south.


(I think Tom was getting somewhat confused between NX and NXG but
anyway...)

Though for those travelling via the ELLX to Canary Wharf from points
south I find it difficult to believe that anyone would do anything
other than change onto the Jubilee at Canada Water - going via
Whitechapel and Crossrail would entail staying on the ELLX for three
extra stops.

Though for those coming from points north on the ELLX then a change at
Whitechapel onto Crossrail will be an attractive choice, and will also
provide some relief to the Jubilee line this way - though to some
degree that may well be relief from the new demands that the completed
ELLX will place on the Jubilee at Canada Water. The via Crossrail at
Whitechapel option will also be good for those using the ELLX from
either points north or south who're heading to Custom House.